By chuks: I don't know what information you are working from there
Agree with chuks.
S.F.L.Y. I think you are taking on some well informed pilots, most of which have been very patient, conservative if you like, and very polite but you persist to ram home a comparison between BA 038 and THY1951 before both final reports come out.
I for one think this thread is really about THY1951 as BA038 has it's own extended thread. It's good to compare if you wish, may be start a new thread, (God forbid) but remember that both incidents involves different AC types, with extremely different AC tonnage weights! One set of weights operational the other set not operational, one AC had a three man crew whilst the other had a two man crew observing the controls. Both incidents involved high volume ATC interaction, but the approach was perfectly normal for BA 038 until that last powerless 50 seconds or so whilst THY1951 has some ATC issues that may or may not be involved in the final report. This thread FOR THY1951 and the BA038 thread have comments included by actual pilots that were there or close by at the time of both incidents. They have more than convinced me that I should wait for the respective final reports.
At this stage, I am confident that these final reports for both incidents will conclude completely different circumstances as much as they may sound similar today.
S.F.L.Y. with respect, I think my simplistic post is what many far more experienced pilots than I have been trying to say to you!