flyeruk - just to be clear, new fleet was taken off the table by BA months ago. Thats negotiation. BASSA exaggerated the value of their proposal, then when they were found out they had a show of hands at a union meeting to confirm a position of no further concessions to BA. That's not negotiation. BASSA turned up after the negotiation deadline with the news crews in tow to say how hard done by they were. Thats not negotiation. BASSA refused to turn up to ACAS talks, or sit in the same room as a CC89 rep. Thats not negotiation. BASSA now want BA to go back to a blank sheet of paper and start all over again. Thats not negotiation!