Alpine-only so much can be said without just covering the same thing over and over. Fact is, guys have been warned regarding borrowing and training at this point in time and if they want to go ahead it's up to them-they will have to accept the consequences. Regarding the market still heading upwards, just watch over the next few weeks (possibly days) as reality begins to dawn. Majority are selling off shares in the rising market. This is not normal behaviour in a bull market. WWW-are you still holding onto your FTSE short? Could still come good.