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Old 23rd Aug 2009, 16:01
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Heatedfuelreturn
 
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thanks for taking the time

I can not be 100% certain it was not an ATC request, but the only controller in the tower was male. within 5 seconds he gave the instruction remain at 5000ft to the other guy.

No TCAS involved except we say him, and heard his clearance, and thus would in a non radar environment with out positive radial/dme or visual position confirmation never accept the climb. We called in at 10dme, mostly fopr the other traffics awareness, it was not an ATC request

Been working into Greece for many many years, the procedural controllers were and still are fantastic.

I was basing my reluctance to climb based on the TCAS info available, ( I am well aware of the errors in position that TCAS can give, and the ATC discussions re position of other traffic.

There is NO radar at this island airfiled all is procedural, ATC is called TOWER, and Approach control conducted by Rhodes.

Output of non compliancewas a safer flight, 3 mins later we were at 15d, and had seperation, the controller then cleared us to climb, and contact Rhodes.

As to closing vector, I can not be certain as TCAS is not that accurate but he was level at 5000ft, and we were 4000ft, ATC requested procedural seperation, and we complied. As ATC were concerned as to the vertical seperation, it would have been churlish to accept an unknown voices instruction to climb.

As to supervisor, yes that is entirely possible, but this male controller was very good, and there were only two aircraft in his sky at the time.


Fast moving Mil traffic, yes always possible, but in this exact location most unlikely.

The line is drawn at the point where the ATC instruction makes the hairs on the back of your head stick out.


If I heard a voice that sounded like a 5 year old girl, I might just ignore, and when able ask for clarification.


Many thanks for the input, I thrust the responses satisfy the court of enquiry.

It was not a mistake, for all the reasons above, it was in my humble oppinion an unauthorised ATC breakin.

re ASR, that is still an option, and is under consideration.

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