Danny,
So you *are* happy then ?
Post #1 of this thread by Dannyalliga
I hope that the majority of the Ryanair pilots will open their eyes and stick together this time regardless of their nationality, contract, base and personal views of BALPA because this could be the last chance for all of us to show those in charge that we are not fat and happy as they like to picture us
and relating to BALPA recognition campaign:
I also hope that BALPA will be wise enough and take this whole recognition issue well outside the UK borders because this is the first European battle of this kind and the more international it becomes the stronger the support will be as well as the media coverage.
There is a world of difference between "running away like a kid" and walking away.
I really do not see where Paternal / Maternal skills come into the discussion.
Companies don't play a fair game. A business is about one thing and one thing only "profit margin". It is not an exercises in socialism, or democracy. To even bring that into the equation is a tad naive.
If a company was a democratic entity, it simply would not exist, decisions would never be made as the continual debate and democratic process in large organisation would consume the time and energies of the staff from doing what they are employed to do.
This is why companies have a hierarchal structure.
that employ 200 hours self sponsored and easily manipulated 20 years old F/O's and almost only eastern European self sponsored cheap and mostly rude F/A's and so on and on....
so you have a derisory view of you colleagues, based on their level of experience or cultural origins !
yet you quote ..
stick together this time regardless of their nationality
That should make for a *Great* CRM environment ! mmmmmm !
This is probably the only venue where we can have a discussion about T&C's because otherwise they are generally just imposed upon employees and withheld from the public when it best suits management.
You managed to miss the point by a country mile Danny.
A contract is an agreement between the signatory parties, if you are not a signatory, it doesn't concern you.
In the same way, your contract doesn't concern me, and no one would expect you to post *your* contractual terms in a public forum.
To suggest otherwise indicates a complete lack of understanding of a commercial environment.
are they all crazy psycho's like you suggest
I did not suggest that anyone was a crazy psycho.
I stated, and I will reiterate
If you think that contract terms are going to be posted within this thread, or any other, or discussion on future contract terms, based on an operational intention, you should seek psychiatric assistance.
I suggest you re-read that statement, I have highlighted the key points in bold.
hint: see note above regarding contracts and commercial practises.
Now, I suggested that if *you* thought that was going to happen then you *should* seek psychiatric assistance.
So by reasonable deduction we can determine that you feel *you* have issues of self evaluation of being a "crazy psycho".
There was no mention of sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies or accusation. Merely a suggestion that if *you* anticipated that something would happen, where clearly it will not, then perhaps there may be an underlying issue that maybe resolved with a specialist in the field.
Psychiatrists deal with issues from smoking cessation, to sleep disorders, to OCD's, to bereavement, to paranoid schizophrenia, to self harm to psychopathic tendencies.
In short, I never said crazy psycho, but if the shoe fits...
As for the intimation:
In your eyes it's normal to come here and lie about almost everything, to insult posters, to give out misleading info but it's psycho to talk about normal working matters like T&C's.....unless you've got something to hide of course.
I don't think you will find any reference to support the assertion of acceptance of lies, insults, misinformation. In fact you will find that i am for open even handed debate, that includes, facts without insults and factual information.
Your assertion of having something to hide is the last straw of the militant with no argument to support.
For the record, I hold a commercial licence, I am all for better T&C's, not just for pilots but across the industry. What I am not for is a union attempting to gain a wider subscriber base, for their own benefits, at the expense of its own subscriber base, with a campaign that is bordering on laughable with the premise of better T&C's for it's members in the biggest industry downturn so far.
As you can agree, it's a tough industry right now..
If one group gets an improvement in T&C's, everyone wants an increase in T&C's too.
Other unions will follow suit for their members on the back of it.
That drives up the operating overhead, a cost which can only be passed on to the customer, which makes the company less competetive, which drives a reduction in its revenue, which makes the company less economically viable.
Are you getting the picture here ?
Do you really think a time when the vast majority of operators are clinging to existance is a good time for a union to launch a campaign for better T&C's ?
Really, honestly, do you ?
[...] Together with machinists union officials, that's just what the pilots union brass did.
To get what they wanted, they repeatedly threatened illegal strikes and engaged in illegal work slowdowns, as Wall Street Journal editor Holman Jenkins recalled in a May 25 column.
[...] then-ALPA chief Rick Dubinsky was still bragging about this strategy, Mr. Jenkins added. [...] Mr. Dubinsky famously told United management:
"We don't want to kill the golden goose. We just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg."