I hear some of the middle east outfits are now running with these schemes, it's an outrage, we should stone the management, burn the planes..or we could just evolve and hope the cost savings this gives airlines is sufficient to keep the industry alive and kicking, don't worry about the pay to fly guys, they will be on the payroll soon enough and that removes the problem! What would help is if the banks made funding available for more guys to do the schemes and the airlines guaranteed the loans.. or would that not be fair either?