call 118-118 agreed we are at an impass as they say so will agree to differ I am sorry GayFriendly that the discussion has stopped chat about other things as you see it, I thought a thread called BIRMINGHAM under airports was about BHX and not just "look whats landed tonight" maybe you should consider such posts would be better put in the "spotters" forum and the BIRMINGHAM thread left to talk about issues at BHX ?