i think we have two threads on here ....one is the alternate workforce comming back and the other is that qf engineers are not well regarded outside....well i agree that some of the guys who came back are the s#@bs that did take the judas money but there are some who just came back after their redundancy ...dont know who's who's in that mob.....as far as the qf lame's getting jobs else where well the ones that were no good in the sheltered workshop of qf are still no good outside and it follows them....but the ones who are good prosper and rise and good luck to them and i know the sh$t ones wish they had never left