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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 14:18
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Democracy relates to a methodology of governance, not a commercial operation that exists to make a profit.
There are many conceptual forms of democracy in existence. So why democracy is a method of governance it is also a method of determining outcomes through free and fair debate and the decision of the majority. Such forms of democracy are known as polyarchy and aggregative democracy.

Aristotle stated; "But one factor of liberty is to govern and be governed in turn; for the popular principle of justice is to have equality according to number, not worth, and if this is the principle of justice prevailing, the multitude must of necessity be sovereign and the decision of the majority must be final and must constitute justice"

This is describing what social justice is about and how our laws are constructed and how we live in most western European nations. So if it is to be ruled with a form of democracy or live in a form of tyranny and autocracy I know as a free thinking person what I will choose. By trying to deny people the right to vote by MISLEADING people. The email and people are acting in benefiting tyranny and against democracy. SIMPLE.. Any arguments the person may have had have been undermined simply by the act of deceit.

197 A/C have to be crewed and need engineers so if aircraft get moved they are still going to have to staffed. Ryanair have a legal obligation under EU, UK and most other EU countries law to offer you alternative positions or arrangements in these other bases. You might have to move but your job or position is still going to have to be maintained and that is without discussing if closing a base because of recognition (as you say will happen) is even legal. Will your position be maintained? Yes it will.

The time you are going to be at risk is when Ryanair ground aircraft and put you on unpaid leave in the winter period. Whether you like it or not it is coming your way over the coming year the same way it came to STN last winter. What are you going to do about that with the company becoming more and more seasonal? FO's with years of experience are now being paid less than London Tube drivers! I'll let you work out why that it is..

I have seen a number of BRK FO's struggling to make bill payments because of a lack of flying never mind if the said individual gets injured. Just a question; Will you pay his or her bills once the winter down happens or he breaks a leg? These individuals have on or around £100,000 of debt but are struggling to make loan repayments from flight training. One had to declare himself bankrupt. Just a normal guy who came unstuck due to not flying. Another received multiple months of forced A/L and had to move out of his apartment as he couldn't afford to live. Is that what you call full time employment? I call that seasonal work likened to teenagers working over the summer holidays with the added bonus of having more debt than they know what to do with. Doesn't matter though, at least there are some jobs in Val Thoren in the winter!

The amount of movements has to be maintained in these airports. W patterns will not maintain these movements numbers. The UK market is the largest market and nearly half of all movements are in or out of the UK. If you think Fidelity Investments and Merrill Lynch are going to let DOB, EW and whatever DOB calls PB get away with risking that sort of financial income, then you are naive at best. This is all about the perception of power but shareholders will not let the said individuals step to far including MOL himself in trying to maintain an unsustainable ideology.

In maintaining these movements comes local jobs with these bases. The local development funds and tourism councils that supply Ryanair with money either through direct funding or through proxy's such as the airports, demand job creation and stability. Ryanair are going to find it very difficult to apply multiple closures while trying to stave off airport and development fund contracts as well as the contracts of service with the service providers. Multiple breaches of contract with many, many legal challenges before we even get to workers legal challenges.

Then we get to the local, national governments as well as the European Union. Many politicians whether senior national or local will have many things to say about such action being directed at their continuances workers because of a group of pilots trying to obtain union recognition for collective bargaining and the freedom to association. If you think the UK government will also have nothing to say about it then you would be wrong. Ryanair management can do what it wants with its leaser’s aeroplanes but it can't flout the law while doing so! The various branches of governments have considerable amounts of power to apply pressure as HMRC have been doing. Ryanair management has already had various brushes with the EU about other matters and LOST every time such as the Walloon government EU case. Ryanair is less likely to try and go to war with them on freedom of association and collective bargaining rights as the law is very clear on these subjects. They just rely on the perception to everyone no matter whom they are that they will. In other words all Ryanair managers have to do is sell you the aroma of invincibility when in very real terms they are not.

All these things without the workers applying the pressure of collective organisation on the company themselves which can bring the company to it knees if so desired. This is not the way forward though as has been said many times. Partnership is what is required.

PART TIME SEASONAL CONTRACTS or FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT? Your choice but only if colleagues give you that choice..
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