i can tell you now that this industrial stuff is going just like the 1989 dispute down in Oz. I know because my brother was involved in it. There are more guys joining up here every month and the courses are filling up.this trickle will end up a flood and in a years time when cathay have over two hundred plus pilots employed that stupid ban is going to look pretty sick and so is the AOA because that is 200 pilots that won't be members. you would be interested to know that some members of the AOA that i have met don't think the ban is working and is splitting the membership - right into the hands of Management. you will soon have the AOA with less members than pilots in Cathay and that will be a blow to the union.