4PW's
Haven't received it, eh?
Standby for incoming...
Guess I'm just going to have to make this public, given you've called me a liar.
Please do. It doesn't change the facts that you did not send it to all the Forum Moderators as you claim. Your claim was untrue. Black and white.
We can look at some mitigation (or excuses if you prefer) later, but if a judge asked you in a court of law if you said what you said then you would have to confirm it, and if I then proved that what you said was not true, then it's simple. You did not tell the truth in your original statement.
Indeed, I think you will find that no Moderator of any other Forum on this site received your message directly from you as you claimed.
Tipsy2
It would seem that posts #33 & #34 have come from non related DG mods. Even the attempted tenuous connection would fail the relevance test. I sincerely hope our DG mods have not gone seeking help from their forced aligned (fellow mods) in a effort to rebut the underlying tenor behind this thread.
There was no approach from the D&G Mods for solidarity or support to this thread. Nor was there any co-ordinated approach to get anyone else on board by me.
4PW's made a statement claiming (by inference) that he had sent me, as well as every other Mod on PPRuNe, a message about some issue over advertising. He did not email me personally any such thing. The inference was also made that having received this message, the PPRuNe Mods did nothing about it.
Clearly I will not take a claim that I received something (I didn't) and then did nothing about it (I don't know what he is talking about so I am hardly likely to individually or collectively do something about it am I ?) as a given, something upon which the PPRuNE readership might judge me less than favourably. If someone makes such a claim, then I have the right of reply to refute it, hence my reply. Other Mods then posted their own individual situations as well, confirming that they had not received the message allegedely sent to them either.
The relevance test was that a claim was made by a poster, aimed at all PPRuNe Mods. All PPRuNe Mods therefore have a right to correct a misleading and factually incorrect statement should they choose to do so. I did so.
Using cleverwords to infer a fellow PPRuNer is "a liar" as in post #33 has seen other posters banned for doing so. Anyone care to lay bets on a Moderator being banned? Of course not. That would mean there was consistency of moderating.
I would not make the claim on PPRuNe, especially as a Mod, if not true. Why should I be banned for pointing out that someone did not tell the truth ? Mitigation can be offered (see below), but that does not change the basic position that something was claimed, which was not true, and it was then inferred that all the Mods did nothing.
PPRuNe Central utterly ignored the warning, so beware.
The D&G mods might not get it right every time, but, they don't do too badly and at least we know they are fallible.
D&G Mods sometimes don't see eye to eye with other Mods on PPRuNe, but when they don't, we debate it in the Admin Forum and come to an agreement one way or the other. This sometimes even involves dummy spits by one party or another, exactly as we see in the public Forums. The bottom line though, is that we all have the wish to make PPRUNe a success as a major part of our psyche, and sometimes accept that compromise is the way forward. So not only are all Mods fallible, they're just exactly like everyone else here on PPRuNe.
amos2
The current mods on prune are a collective bunch of ars*holes!
We all know that!
What's their collective ratings?...CPL perhaps?
As I said above, we're just like the posters on PPRuNe. We're apparently a collective bunch of ars*holes ... and we have
amos2 proving that the readership has a few of them as well
Collective ratings .... mmmm ..... plenty of guys on the Mod team with lots of experience I think you'll find. Many are Captains with major airlines flying anything from the 747 downwards. Some are current or ex Chief Pilots. Many are highly experienced ex mil fast jet guys, or have combat experience on many types from fling wing to fixed wing. Many own or have owned a plethora of aviation companies from airlines to engineering. We also have Mods who own and fly their own aircraft. We have test pilots. We have highly qualified ground guys. In fact, apart from not having an astronaut, we pretty much cover all the bases. Including having a rock star on the team
What's your qualification
Amos2 ?
4PW's
So now we come to possible mitigation.
I sent this to the Contact Us link down bottom of every PPRuNe page. If that isn't to "all the moderators", then the mistaken context is all mine. Contact Us means PPRuNe doesn't it, or was I emailing McDonalds?
The mistaken context is yours. In common with every other website in the world (except maybe for single manned or very small businesses), the Contact Us link sends a message to the owners of the Board or website. The Contact Us details are contained within the Privacy Policy link at the foot of the page, namely,
Contacting the Web Site
If you have any questions about this Privacy Policy, the practices of this site, or your dealings with this Web site, you can contact:
[email protected].
This is the address where any Contact Us messages go. I don't see my email address, nor that of any other moderators, on there.
You can assume that it goes to every single person (or employee to simplify things) involved with the PPRuNe site, which is your mitigation. However, is it reasonable to do so ?? If I contacted QANTAS or CASA using their Contact Us link on their websites, would I really be expecting it to go to every single one of their employees ?? Of course I wouldn't. I would expect it to go to someone tasked with filtering messages and then passing them on to the relevant people in the company. In the case of your message sent to the Contact Us address at PPRuNe, the Board owners obviously decided that I, along with probably almost every other Mod, had nothing to do with your claim, nor were required to even know about it. So we don't, which is counter to your assertion that we did.
What ******** is going to write to each and every individual moderator, even if their email address' were available? As for their timely response (see below), it didn't eventuate.
But you claimed that you did give the information to every single Moderator. If you haven't sent me something, then how can you expect me to give you a timely response.
I don't expect I'll get an apology from PPRuNe Radar, which kind of proves my earlier point. This site will not reach its potential. Period. Sorry to bore you with this, but he did call me a liar. Back to the thread?
I guess that all depends on how pedantic you want to be.
In black and white terms, you made a claim to have contacted every Mod on PPRuNe (your words not mine) which is clearly not true (and I'll gladly stand up in court and swear on the fact that I did not receive any such message). You then further inferred that I, through association by PPRuNe, then did nothing about it. You are telling the truth there. I did nothing about it, because you didn't contact me in the first place, and I was unaware of the issue !! My reaction to your claims was to reply that you were not telling the truth, something which can be proven in any court in the land.
If we want to be less pedantic, then we can apply some shades of grey. We can see that you operated under a msiconception that an email to a contact address for the site would by default go to every single individual concerned with operating PPRuNe. The test there would then be for someone to assess whether that is a reasonable assumption to make or not. You could argue it is, or you could argue it isn't. That could go either way, depending upon the arguments and evidence provided by each side, and how the person assessing the evidence is persuaded.
To draw a line under things, you told a lie, however I will accept that you did so under a misconception. I will let individual readers decide whether or not it is a reasonable misconception to labour under. I therefore apologise for pointing out that you were, by circumstance, a liar. I would however counsel that in future you check your facts are 100% correct before making claims and casting aspersions on any group of people (and by inference, the individuals within that group). If necessary, you can do this by contacting individuals on PPRuNe for advice or clarification. All Mods have contact details within their individual Forums, and always have had.
To end, I make no comment on the moderation issues being discussed. These issues come up on various parts of the site regularly and the Mods of the individual Fora are best placed to deal with 'local' issues and nuances.