1/ I've only just managed to look at the data from the flight, and the generated flight path.
All technical and crew issues aside, one thing stands out to me.
In a typical weight 737-800 landing (not sure what flap was selected, let's assume F30) with the ROD and airspeed recorded, plus Ht above GS (see ROD), then the a/c would require flt idle until established around the 600' point ie they had excess energy to bleed off. My comment being, up to that point, it was a rushed approach, and you would not be expecting the TL's to increase if you were in MCP mode ie-no alarm bells at this point re A/T, except the Retard annunciatiation was missed. Understandable- they were rushed and trying to configure, c'lists etc, so 'normal' calm scan was absent. Therefore, comments about not noticing TL movement for 100sec are not relevant to this scenario.
The next 30 secs are the critical area, ie no thrust was applied to maintain Spd/GS/RoD.
2/ They were probably visual at 250', with 117 kts. and an 'OK' ROD. Any thoughts on an aggressive, correctly flown Stall Recovery manoevre-Ground Contact Imminent ???
This was missing
Forget 5deg PNU, it's AT/AP off, firewall (and keep 'em there in this case) , PLI's or intermittent Stick Shaker or 20deg, spd brake/wings lvl etc etc. and try and trade your way out with as much forward stick and trim as you can manage. There is a massive amount of power available-maybe too much fwd pressure if other hand has to keep pushing TL's up (ie missed step 1)-remember the stall sequences in the sim?
Just my 2 cents- but those manoevres at the back of the QRH are rarely given much Recall priority.
Last edited by vino; 6th March 2009 at 03:29.