Well Mike I'd love to have an informative and impersonal debate based purely on the facts of the case. In fact we almost achieved that several pages back, but most of us gave up under the weight of vitriolic, lazy nigel, who-do-you-think-you-are, I'm cheaper than you, can't weight to take your aircraft and knock you down a peg or too comments. As they say, you can't debate with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience.