Pay for jobs, new (?) twist.

[Bruce Wayne]

I have to agree with Superpilot, BLJD and Clangar 32.

Beachbumpilot & RSFTO, your comments are neither professional nor realistic and are rather, to be frank, idiotic.

First off, terming an applicant for a flight deck position as a "wannabe" is derogatory. They have an fATPl or an ATPL, however are lacking in a rating and time on type.

As you well know, if you were made redundant from a 737 flight deck and were applying for a position on different equipment, you would have neither time on type or rating either. True, you have line flying experience, but you are not typed nor experienced in that type. Ergo, that would make *YOU* a wannabe too!

Now in respect of a "wannabe" paying for a rating to get a position; what choices do they have?

A pilot with an fATPL or an ATPL looking for a flight deck position with airline has paid up a considerable amount of money for their training and ratings, many have done their bit instructing, dropping meat-bombs, flying crappy piston engine aircraft on charters, etc etc. have earned little money, most probably put themselves into debt to obtain their licenses and put strain on their personal lives to pursue a career doing something that they want to do.

what they love to do.

There is not the financial rewards or security or pensions that used to be associated with being a pilot.

So, faced with having borne expense and stress in pursuing a career, they are now faced with the following options:

1. Pay for a type rating on the *promise* of a job at the end of it.
2. carry on hunting for a position that will not involve an SSTR.

Do you honestly think that any candidate out there *wants* to endure the expense of an SSTR ?

Do you honestly think that any candidate out there *wants* to endure the cost of an SSTR on the *promise* of a job ?

Do you honestly think that any candidate out there *wants* the insecurity of having paid for an SSTR they will be dropped like hot brick for another SSTR candidate ?

It would be apparent from your posts that you cannot implement available information and circumstantial information to determine a situation and such that does *not* make you good pilot material.

From an employers perspective, there is little incentive to take on a candidate, meet the costs of integrating that/those candidates into the operation and training them only to see them move on within a given time. Even if they are bonded for the period to recoup the TR expense the cost of crew turnover are a hard cost to bear and recur.

The circumstances that have created this are due to the major airlines, the integrated training facilities and the CAA.

The CAA allows credit for integrated graduates. However, if you are a modular "graduate" you have completed the same course, sat the same exams and had the same flight test to the same standards.

The integrated schools "act" as a training facility to an operator or a number of operators, or perhaps a "way in" to larger airlines. The operators now have ability to "outsource" pilot training.

These circumstances have arisen from market forces and have been gradual changes to the situation we are in now. These changes have arisen not from wannabes but from the training organizations and the operators, allowed by a failure to consider the course of evolution by all concerned.

The only people that have the ability or *have* had the ability to prevent this evolution it current acting flight crews. NOT the wannabes.

You sit and pontificate about how wannabes are affecting T&C's for crews and how SSTR's are damaging the industry. Yes T&C's are declining, yest security is precarious yes SSTR's are damaging, yet *YOU* do nothing to change this apart from blame those that are suffering the most.

It's the wannabes that have to stump up for the SSTR and the wannabes that are inheriting a career with T&C's ever declining to point of nothing.