Vin Rouge? 8 years aircrew already? Oh, well done, one day you too might be entitled to a pension but try to bear in mind that some of us here left the service while you were still a twinkle in your old man's eye and things were very different. Left before JPA? You're having a laugh. The RAF had just one classified computer, kept in Station Ops and we had no access. I used to get paid by cheque into my Cox's and Kings account. I think it was £75 a month to begin with. One month they ran out of money and we didn't get paid because they "forgot". Trying to get an assessment of personal pension entitlement out of the Paymaster was like trying to get blood out of a stone. We had no way of working it out for ourselves.