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Old 9th Nov 2008, 12:09
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Just continue to file those ASRs guys! Eventually they will have to listen.

Many years ago we used to do TRV turnaround flights, with a departure at 2300 LT and back in OTBD around 1030LT. Back than the CAP 371 FT/DT was not there so we could do this, although it was barely legal!

We started filing ASRs untill management wrote an ASR whereby they said NO ASRs could be filed if they where fatigue related! Imagine THAT! So some pilots reported this to the QCAA.
You would not BELIEVE how fast they reversed both the ACN and how fast they found HOTAC in TRV!!!

I saw the roster of an A320 captain lately and its a disgrace. Sure, its all legal looking at the book but a couple of things where bluntly forgotten:

1) CAP 371 is designed for the European airspace. Very rarely a Medium haul crew will cross two timezones as there are no destinations that far so most of the time pilots ALWAYS stay acclimatised! This limits the number of possible consecutive nightduties to 2 or 3 and not 6 or 7 like the duties we see in QR!

2)CAP 371 was a recommendation made by the JAA authorities. In case an airline would fall outside the standard European airspace (Western europe) CAP 371 rules where supposed to be changed to cater for the special needs of these airlines. The redesigned rules would be made by a joint venture between the airline and the union to saveguard both parties'intrests. QR defenitely fall outside the geographical region the CAP371 rules where intended to be used in!!

Remember as well that OTBD actually should be in the OMDB timezone but is kept on JEDDAH time for religeous reasons!!!!This one hour makes all the difference! If you think about it and if we would be on OMDB time, sending a 320 crew on a layover to CMB or TRV would keep them acclimatised which would limit the number of consecutive nightduty being legal!Your body feeld it differently off course ( never wondered why 1730 in dubai feels more normal than 1730 in Doha where it is pitch black allready?)

3) CAP 371 never took into consideration Dead heading sectors and split duties whereby you stay 4 hours on the ground in the middle of the night, locked up in an aircraft, because doing so would simply cost too much money to any normal airline where you are getting paid for any duty performed, including DH!

4) CAP 371 talks about the saveguarding of the circadian rythm etc etc. This is the first thing QR forgets to do!


So we actually have a chapter 7 which is not adapted by QR and the QCAA to the type of flying we perform in this region! It is totally unsuitable for our operation but nobody gives a dime!

How many of us can honestly say that the situation, as described by Airbusmaster, never happend to them? How many of us actually came close to selecting the wrong flapsetting, mispressing the correct FCU PB, loosing spaciala awereness etc...just because they simply where fighting to keep their eyes open during descent and approach?

I bet you that, in case everybody would be honest, 80% or more would reckognise these points! And the 20% who would say they'd never seen these things happening probably just joined the airline and are still fresh!

Its a disgrace!
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