Charly, all I can say to you and your colleagues is that these are the tactics our companies use and the press are only too happy to believe it. How much money does your union spend in advertising with the big news media? All is not lost, however. You are in a fight and the best time to win it is now. Give up for anything less than you want and you will have to fight again, go through the same media onslaught, with a better prepared management. Win now and it is yesterday's news. Maybe all pilot's unions in Europe could do with professional public relations to tell our side of the story. I don't know about you but in BA everytime we gave something up to help the 'company', they spent it on bolstering out headquaters staff, of our widely respected tail-fins. Stick in there, we are all with you.