Great to see a bit of discussion on this topic. Old habits die hard so we can expect the odd stuff up by those that have been around awhile, but still really no excuse. My real beaf and what i get really peeved at is so many students are not getting taught correctly. There is no excuse for this. I blame the problem on many of the instuctors out there, both GA and RAA.......Come on guys and gals, get it right,it's so easy. FB