A fully audited set of accounts(forJ*) will put the arguement to bed..one way or the other. That is not to villify the wonderful people who persue a dream in jetstar or anywhere else. However given the fact that little infrastructure has been devleoped at full cost, be it operations support in the guise of flight planning/ engineering/catering etc a meaningful "like with like" comparison would help those of us "legacy" people understand how it can be done so much more efficiently........