Some of you must be grandfathers, there is no long term future in any of these argreements in particular the 'grandfather' rights as eventually they will be challenged as being wholley discriminatory, which is exactly what they seem to be. The trouble with many of we BA staff at all levels of the company, because we have done so little work for so long with masses of time off it is impossible to believe that one day we will all have to awake from this dream. As far as I am cocerned in cannot happen quickly euough.