You really dont get me do you topslide. My purpose of posting is not to tell people one way or another whether to train or not(WWW does that perfectly well by himself!), i couldnt give a damn what they do personally. My point is to highlight that training costs are perfectly achievable on a budget and that as it stands(at the moment), there are still opportunities out there to be had. If the world go's tit*s up then so be it. Nobody knows what way its going to go, least of all me, you or www. And I have never been a fan of the integtrated monster machines that rip people off of 100k, and sstr's etc, i think its absolutely horrendous they can get away with it.