I never said it wasn't a 2 way relationship, what I do object to is being the target of childish insults...thats hardly professional is it? As for jumpseat rides, 9/11 happened and they are now extremely difficult to get. We can get them, with some effort, from BA (who were very accomodating when I organised one this year). I have never heard let alone benefited from a jumpseat scheme from low cost carriers...equally, most of our pilot visits are from carriers such as BA and Virgin rather than low cost carriers, so it works both ways I'm afraid.