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Old 24th Jun 2008, 11:51
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C-change
 
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Get used to CTAF

Some of you people out there are absolute tossers. Get over yourselves. The thread was about the same old story. RAAF can't keep their people because they treat them like crap, stuff their families around and flog them until they have had enough. Some of you bitch and complain about them, yet do nothing except whinge, whilst these kids in Blue are prepared to put their life on the line so you can stay at home and bitch about them. Tosser's, you know who you are.

Every couple of years ASA comes along, after yet another failed attempt at a national ATC plan, offering heaps of extra dollars and people leave the RAAF. Thats life, its called supply and demand. No different to Virgin, Qantas etc recruiting from REX or other regionals. RAAF tries to train more with their crap budgets and as soon as ASA crap on their people, who subsequently head OS, RAAF loses more staff. Its nothing more than a big merry go round, except this time the merry go round is broken. ASA and RAAF can't attract enough new kids to the job because they get treated like crap and aren't interested in this sort of career anymore. BS on forums attacking people doesn't help. Most of those Blue ATC's have buggar all time up. Get off their backs, remember when you learn't to fly or the first time you had to vector several acft.

Here is some history for you.

In 2003, ASA and defence came up with the Intergrated Operating Concept (IOC) at great expense to ASA. They spent heaps on it and defence eventually rejected it, due cost to the tax payers. ASA said gloves off and recruited 14 RAAF ATC's. Back to the drawing board again.

2005 and project Genesis dawns and a new era for Aust. ATC begins. Pearce App from Perth TMA using Taaats and the relocation of DN and TVL approach etc to Brisbane centre again using Taaats (I can feel maestro and TMP's coming on). What happens, it all turns to **** and Defence pulls the plug again because ASA wants to charge Defence millions to provide the service. I say Defence because RAAF ATC got told what to do by the government. By the way RAAF ATC is actually controlled by RAAF PILOTS. Another point, The Manual of Air Traffic Services MATS, is a joint document and again signed off by another RAAF PILOT. The ATC's at the coalface are applying rules approved by pilots.

What I find funny is that both department of defence and transport are owned by the same government but a national ATC plan can't get sorted out. After all, we are only talking about 1200 ATC's around the country but it all seems to hard.

Whisk01 mentioned "mutual respect". When was the last time you went to visit an ATC section aircrew or when did you ATC's go flying ? Learn what each other does and show some respect. Share your knowledge. Remember that someone taught you, what you know. Don't moan and bitch about how bad it is, write to your federal members, what about AOPA. Do something positive.

If you choose to keep on whining and do nothing, you better get used to TIBA and CTAF boys (and girls) because soon there wont be anyone on the other end of those radios.
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