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Old 9th June 2008 | 14:35
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wileydog3
 
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A37575 said
If the aircraft is already under control from start of take off run and climb away then any complacent relaxed delay in taking action to extinguish an engine fire warning is nothing less than sheer recklessness.
I think you misunderstand. The first rule is always to FLY THE AIRPLANE. There are myriad examples where the crew jumped on the problem and not only did not solve it in their rush, the compounded the problem.

I am not familiar with any incident or accident where a fire warning resulted in the wing burning off but I am familiar with a number of incidents where crews jumped on the wrong problem.

So, just to clarify positions.. do you or your company require you to immediately begin shutting down an engine the moment the fire light illuminates on takeoff? Do you climb to obstacle clearance altitude or a standard altitude and clean up (flaps up etc) before beginning the checklist? Do you have memory actions or have you/has your company changed to checklist items for eng fire/failure?

FWIW, at many US carriers, if you begin the fire checklist before cleaning up, it may result in a checkride failure and require retraining.

A few years ago, there was a report with the title PSM/ICR which stood for Propulsion System Malfunction/Improper Crew Response and it detailed how crews got themselves in trouble even with simple PSMs.

I, nor anyone else, is suggesting complacency is acceptable but you seem to advocate immediate action over a timely response. I do not agree and I doubt you can find events (crashes due to burned through hyd/fuel/etc) which support your position.

I could be wrong and stand ready to learn...
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