Clanger32
You are not taking into account the fact that whilst doing integrated you also need money to live on as well as the extra you will pay in interest on the loan.
Modular when done alongside a job and paid for as you go will not bring these extra costs.
I added the TR+Hours to the modular to show what you could get for the same/less money
Colomiers
I am not trying to take away anything from the integrated guys, any CPL/IR takes hard work and motivation. I do however believe that IN GENERAL people who do it whilst working full time to pay for it all, will in alot of cases had to work harder out of necessity and as has been said before tend to be more mature. If you dont believe me on the last point then read the posts on the 'Question Re: CTC' thread. This is my opinion based on the integrated guys ive met so far and you are entitled to yours.
I was saying the qualities i would be looking for were i involved in recruitment for and airline, but im not. I DO NOT think integrated pilots are inferior at all but i also do not think it creates a superior pilot as the schools would have you believe. Certainly not enough to justify the differnece in cost. As for the schools statements that it proves you will be able to pass the line training and be more employable, would not your existing employment history tell them more?
I agree that the majority of integrated graduates are no different to the modular guys, however if you have never come across the kind of people i was referring to then you have been lucky.
Im sure integrated made sense a few years ago but in the current financial climate borrowing £70-100k for a CPL/IR just doesn't make sense to me. And if people are attending shows put on by the training providers and being told by Ryaniar that they should spend £100,000 of their own money for the privelidge of working for them then yes i do believe they are being gullable. This doesn't apply to all integrated students though and i know that.
Your comment:
Some people consider training and decide on integrated. they believe that although more expensive, the opportunities are likely to be better at the end and time to the rhs of a jet (what many people are looking for) will be less.
Some airlines -e.g. BA, only take integrates low hour pilots, FACT. If you think thats unfair and that many modular students are more than capable of passing a BA selection and fulfilling that role thats fair enough. I'd probably agree with you. However, there's nothin you or i can do about it. The FACT remains that if you want a shot a BA mainline straight out of flight school you have to do integrated. If, for what ever reason, integrated isn't an option for you and this type of thinking from airlines pisses you off, again fair enough.
But don't come on to pprune and bitch about integrated students who may be trying to take advantage of the situation laid out in fron of them.
shows kind of what i was getting at.
This is a way of thinking that is being exploited by the airlines and training providers to take more of their cash from them. A situation will may get worse. IMO