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Old 20th Apr 2008, 10:21
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Hulkomaniac
 
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Dead Dickeye, and Wobblehead!

Those would have been very accurate posts, and rather relevant were it not for the usual fact that BA pilots, with their selfish, inward turned view of the world fail to recognise the blindingly bleeding factual historical obvious!

In your obsession with your own Ts and Cs - which is undeniably your right - you have directly shafted a number of groups of pilots who have had the misfortune to be brought within or associated with your group. I name Dan Air, GSS, BACX BA Connect, Cityflyer Mk2 as examples. The reason so many of us despise you all as a group is that you fail to embrace any form of broad church theory even when it involves pilots WITHIN YOUR OWN COMPANY, owned by the same shareholders. Worse, you have twisted rules in order to deliberately disadvantage pilots from those groups in order to elevate 'mainline' products.

That is why, although I accept OS is a crude management ploy to reduce pilot costs per se across the Western Industry, you are sneered at for your hypocrisy and the disingenuity of your specious statements about requesting support and trying to pretend this is an "all for one" exercise. I don't recall you making this fuss about Go - presumably that was different?
You condescendingly refer to people being whinging wimps, or being lily livered - yet when you have people flying on the SAME AEROPLANES (at your own insistence), with a start-up, brand new internal company council trying to feel their way, you block and object the slightest thing that might affect your mainline prospects. I wonder what would be said if an experienced skipper behaved like that to a brand new FO? Hardly CRM is it? Hardly united union activity is it? Hardly a united 'broad church' approach from BritishAirwaysLinePilotsAssociation is it?

It is quite quite nauseating to read those two posts, but they exemplify what the rest of UK aviation dislike most about BA.

The question for BA pilots should be, what does BALPA, and it's association with other Airline CCs do for us!!
Quite quite unbelievable. I suggest you DO kn0b off and form your own union, at least then no-one could object to the slanted and biaised view of the world you project. You exemplify all the shortcomings for which you berate Walsh, with those bullying and patronising words.

The plain fact is that those of you who work under substandard conditions are too disorganised, and in some cases too nervous, to do anything about it.
BACX were owned by BA, they were not nervous, or disorganised before they became a fully owned subsidiary - it was the treatment by the BACC (or more accurately the complete lack of advice and assistance, in fact downright opposition) which was responsible for any lack of morale therein, not to mention the subsequent operational and financial mismanagement which terminated the company subsequent to its asset stripping. It might be reasonable not to expect BA pilots and BACC to support, say Easyjet pilots, or Monarch pilots - but to actively oppose and denigrate pilots who FLY BA AEROPLANES ALONGSIDE BA CREWS???????? Incredible! You couldn't make this stuff up.
Perhaps D1ckhead has a point, perhaps no-one should expect help, advice or assistance from BACC and BA pilots, but even accepting that as an argument, it would be helpful if they didn't actively oppose and fight other pilots' aspirations!! It's bad enough having to fight your management, particularly when you are a smaller operator, one does not expect to have to fight one's so called colleagues as well!
The BA treatment of Dan is well recorded. The BA treatment and again, deliberate disadvantagement of GSS pilots "because of our industrial muscle", ie because we can, says all one needs to know.
Fortunately, I know a lot of BA pilots, and the D1ckhead Deadeye and the Wobblehead are not representative of most.
It would be useful to see the IPA come to prominence - perhaps about time we had a union which did NOT include the arrogant, egotistical, bullying, posturing windbags currently represented by BACC.

Wobblehead had the temerity to mention Britannia. You are an @rse sir!!! Britannia management recently explored the loco operation, setting up a 'downmarket' version of Britannia with 737s. Everyone there was on worse Ts and Cs, with no transfer available to BAL mainline. Indeed, Senior FOs from BAL who went across to gain a command took a risk, because they accepted the lowering of their own relative Ts and Cs in order to hopefully progress a career. In BA, doubtless we would have seen tools downed, and more hysterical rants in public and on pprune. Doubtless a lot of toys and cots would have parted company.
The BAL CC was, and is very different (thank god) to its BA counterpart. They worked patiently and thoroughly behind the scenes and eventually achieved the uplift of the Tfly personnel's Ts and Cs, and persuaded management that one single company was a better bet for all. They raised the new operation to identical salary, pension and seniority rights. In BA, the equivalent posturing saw the destruction of the equivalent so-called threat to mainline. Tfly CC have recently again pulled off the positive, by negotiating the current merger with FCA. Thank goodness for all of us they are who they are, and not wearing a BA uniform.

D1ckhead, Wobblehead, you should be ashamed of yourselves - however I believe your rants show you up for exactly what you are, a disgrace to your community, your union and your profession!
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