Cat Driver. .. .I never said good stick and rudder skills were not important, just that they are not the only skills required to be a good pilot. In regards to your point that this thread is about poor landings, I think my comments absolutely apply.. .Pilots of whatever experience level that make an effort to "always sweat the details, and try to fly the airplane as accurately as possible" don't make three point landings 2/3 of the way down the runway. They make good safe tail low landings in the first 1/4 of the runway because they made the effort to fly the final approach at an appropriate stabilized airspeed and on a good glidepath. The willingness to apply this discipline and to generally take pride in the demonstration of good airmanship is independant of total flying hours and has not in my opinion changed appreciably over the years. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />