The secret is to based at a short field where you have no choice but to be current in landing short. . .. .Then the boss decided to level the strip & put in some much needed drainage so we were using the grass taxiway parallel to the burn. About 50% wider than the wheel track of a C172, now that was interesting. Too far to one side and you were into the long grass, better than the option on the other side.. .. .On the occassions the A/C is based at the local international airport the trick is to practice hitting the numbers & keeping the mains either side of the centreline marking each landing. It really does become 2nd nature - I'd be lost if ATC asked me to land long these days! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Regards,. .. .c-dog