Volarecantare, I seem to disagree on some of your statements.
Then bringing up old baggage and witch hunt tendencies call for blood. So well done lads you got your blood. Does it taste as sweet as you hoped? Does it ease your deep seated bitterness and hatred.
Yes it is even sweeter than I hoped. Let’s hope we see the day NR gets his from his peers. That will be even sweeter. If his was not involved in the Star Chamber, I may have a different opinion.
I was talking to a consultant friend of mine regarding this incident and he mentioned the affinity many doctors have towards the pilots regarding job responsibility and the effects of being paid to suppress natural emotions. One thing he said though was there has always been an ethos of support among doctors and an identification with those who make errors of judgment. This is sadly lacking in our profession among certain individuals. Lets just hope that it doesn't take you to be at the controls of an incident for you to realize the impact your low minded attacks have when you experience it yourself.
So tell me why a Senior Captain runs to Management and rats out a First or Second Officer over something that can be very opinionated. It is even seen on ERAS reports.
This site anonymous as it is offers many the opportunity to express and vent their anger, often hurting others. Its a pity we do not a more healthy and supportive environment in our professional lives that we could feel safe enough to discuss our feelings and fears as they arise with our colleagues without the risk of ridicule and being told to HTFU. (an apparently well known catch phrase "arising" from a certain "comedy" character which is a worrying insight in to what some think is funny).
We hide behind anonymity because if we spoke our mind, NR does not have a problem hurting others. Think back!
Maybe its time for the silent majority who do not have the stomach to engage in the hyperbolic rantings of a few to let their voice be heard and show that there are indeed some pilots who have a healthy well rounded psyche.
Go ahead start another union maybe? Call it the Well Rounded Psyche or WRP union. Maybe NR as president. Yes I know, call it Check and Training.
There has always been the talk of the "Them v's us metality regarding the "evil" managemt" that certainly needs to improve for both the future success of the company and for our own careers.
Are you actually saying management is not evil? Tell that to the 49er whom NR tried to get evicted from his home. Wow, where have you been?
What is of greater concern though is the problems within our own pilot body which has been too long tolerated of the nasty and bullish attitude some show to their colleagues, carrying historical and personal baggage into work with them every day. We hold power over each others careers as much as the company does, and when some are in either Managerial , C+T, elected union reps, national majority, buddy buddy drinking groups, more damage has been cause by misuse of those positions of power to individuals than the company has ever caused.
Tell this to MFL who has held back/destroyed careers. Are you telling me he is not a bully? Maybe you are his bully buddy. Heaps of bullying at CX, not just telling a fellow pilot not to work on his G day. How much time have you spent as an First Officer or lower at CX?
What could be called an error of judgment on behalf if this individual could also been seen as a career suicide. Watching it , it awakened something deep within which sadly to say I had lost. I was there in the seat myself, maybe a smile on my face a feeling of being alive and humming a bit of Dean Martin. I can see someone end his own career with the exhilaration and energy most of us started with, that joy of flying that passion and energy the pride and courage. Sadly it is has been lost to many. He has paid the price, leave him be lads
I still remember the good old days when we had dignity, camaraderie and self respect as a profession.
I think the peanut thrower had an error in judgment, but he lost his job. A real danger of getting a peanut in your eye, especially the salted ones. Much more dangerous than what the 777 CP did.
Dignity, camaraderie and self-respect as professions is a TWO WAY street. It was lost at CX well before I arrived. I had it when I came but seemed to have lost it in 1999 and 2001. My Seniors made sure of that.