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Old 18th Feb 2008, 22:29
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Clearing a flight to do anything is impossible without ATC. Therefore by definition there was an ATC service if a clearance was issued.

Landing at an Airport Notamed as closed would be a whole different can of worms..........an MOR being one requirement regardless of any good intentions.

Is MOL just going to ignore the NOTAMs and send all the flights anyway because once they are overhead then no one is going to disadvantage those people wanting to get home now are they?

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PPrune Radar,

I know but if you had a Tower positon (not busy) and a radar position (not busy either) do you think that you could staff those for 8 hours with 3 dual validated ATCO's on a shift? Well the IAA would require a minimum of 5 - 2 in tower, 2 staffing the sector and 1 "contingency" / break give...........and they still struggle for breaks.

Expand that across several positions and a picture builds up.........not a picture that many would like others to see.

You are thinking from a UK point of view - as an example many LACC sectors may have enhanced relief but they do not have full splits and T/P plus ATCO's to give all those people breaks when it is not very busy. If they operated like that during the quite times then imagine the chaos with the roster.

Imagine Heathrow approach working fully split H24. Would they need overtime? Would anyone ever dare suggest such an idea.

Not many early go's then?

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Applied to leave - wait until there is a guarantee of a minimum amount of leave to all staff per day (within reason of course!). This includes Annual, Parental and Maternity leave (the only guaranteed leave at the moment together with Sick leave!). Maybe even hold out for some of those 'family friendly policies' like Job Sharing, Career breaks and Unpaid Leave.

Applied to Working hours - wait until rosters are guaranteed to be no worse than they currently are and that fatigue breaks are always applied in every station.

Applied to overtime - wait until the price offered for your services is so high you can't possibly refuse.
(My Highlights)

Sounds like a dash back to the civil service days.

Did I not say somewhere ages ago that there would be no change or as it says above - rosters are guaranteed to be no worse than they currently and that the overtime complaints are mostly about money or as it is so nicely put - Applied to overtime - wait until the price offered for your services is so high you can't possibly refuse

Companies are under no obligation to give employees the leave they want when they want. The company is entitled to dictate when leave is taken provide that it is given in accordance with the statutary requirements........which are a lot worse than what is currently available.

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