Capt Kremin perhaps genex was referring to DECs from outside the QF group?
AJ made it very clear recently that if the EBA got up
he would not hire DECs/DEFOs on individual contracts with T&Cs equal to or better than the failed EBA. He made it equally clear that a NO vote would release him from that promise and he would do whatever it took to make J* a success. That being the case, and taking him at his word, I would respectfully suggest that any pilot walking in and offering to sign an individual contract on the failed EBA T&Cs will receive a positive hearing...as would any prospective employee being currently interviewed...and the result will be the further fragmentation of the pilot group. A Yes vote would have meant all pilots currently on AWAs being offered an EBA and thus the unification of the current J* pilot group.
Flava Sava given the nature of this BB just who and how many ridiculed J* pilots for voting the previous EBA up?
The answer is a small % of young, angry QF pilots who saw their careers being effected without thinking about the protection of mainline T&Cs which J*'s existence provides via it's exclusion of
VB/Tiger/Lion/whomever from that % of the domestic market that J* holds. And an even smaller % of vocal, angry GA pilots who perceive that their career path is adversely effected by J*'s mere existence on lower T&Cs than mainline without even considering the extra opportunities that J*'s existence provides and as a competitive entity against
VB etc which has tended to raise domestic T&Cs in the last years, QF Domestic T*Cs (which are an '89 aberration) not withstanding.
The J*PG has taken T&Cs from 90K as a 717 captain in the Impulse days to, if this EBA had got up, 210-220K for an A320 Captain as well as numerous work rules that protect pilots from less than enlightened management...and all without AFAPs help (despite their pleading the contrary on another thread).
If the No voters think AIPA/AFAP will be called in tomorrow and negotiations reinstated with a newly cowed QF/J* management you're sadly mistaken...and naive in the extreme.
I would not be at all surprised to see AIPA go quiet now....how long has the QF domestic EBA wrangling been going on since their EBA ran out...2 years?
What about the efforts at Eastern (or is it Sunnies)...18 months since their EBA expired?
You expect more effort for an entity that is perceived to directly attack mainline T&Cs?
Your dreaming.
The no voters seem to think this will light a fire under AIPA/AFAP but when they fail to meet the expectations, and I think it will be 'when' not 'if', of the No voters you watch the anguished cries on this website...not to mention the anger of the Yes voters who have been denied.
The fallout from this vote, in my view, will be far reaching in ways many No voters least expected.
This expectation of all pilots under one union is naive too...the respective office holders at AIPA and AFAP are not going to release the reins that easily and risk their respective companies T*Cs to those who may have little or no vested interest.
QF will never allow a true group opportunity list...and short of strike action by all QF group pilots there is no way to force them to do so....they will just say no.
Chances of a general strike of QF group pilots?
Zero.
If they were serious about pilot unity they would have been offering the J*PG encouragement and 'no strings attached' help from day one, 6 mths ago, instead of riding in at the 11th hour and advocating a No vote to what was a reasonable package in economically uncertain times. They would have been supporting the J*PG as fellow professionals trying to negotiate the best deal possible for their members while acknowledging the unique circumstances of J* rather than behaving as they have been.