Rod that's very true and I was going to add it to my post that with any airfield that's only 450-500m long any EFATO or stall scenario is likely to result in an off airfield 'arrival'.
With the performance that some of the aircraft operating out of Netherthorpe have the climb rate can easily be overcome by, say, flying through the sinking air on the outside of a thermal or the curl over from trees - air going down at 300-600fpm negates any ROC at MAUW - and it does happen - climb rate drops to zero (or less) they keep pulling back and.............
You only have to go a little way to the west to get caught in the lee of the Pennines and I'm sure Netherthorpe suffers from this on occasion.
Why do you think Phoenix changed to 130hp 150's?
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