vunkze,
actually, in contrast to many of my colleagues, many professional pilots and at least one moderator, I think that some "amateurs" did some pretty impressive work in this thread with this accident. Like trying to figure out where it was when no one else was saying. (People who poo-poo such things have likely not been involved in an investigation. There is often a helluva task getting even the most basic details straight.)
I also anticipate that what we have concluded so far on this thread will turn out to be the truth. Other opinions may differ.
PBL