Pimpernel, have you been at LATCC long? Good use of initiative routing him the "long way around" (as NS said, it's not that different - 30nms?) but what you're describing has been going on for years. ScATTC Mil only started taking them about 2-3 years ago, before that they just flew along the ADRs with Tay (ISTR). I take it that the EGNT/NV trade is still as lively as ever - Diddly Dee around for comment?