Actually currybuoy I think you have spoken plain enough for your ilk.. .. .I for one do not deny that they are desperate for fast jet jockies, fair enough give them a wad see if it works, but you and your kind are two a penny. They don't need any more of you but you still get the wad. Whereas we don't because the RN didn't want us too. Presumably the RAF did!!!!. .. .The flying pay issue has never gone away. In the eighties when you were a twinkle in at least your mother's eye, we were arguing with the powers that always be, to give us the same FP. Their answer then, was that FP had nothing to do with flying but was a means of targeting retention! Thus from an early age the RAF never wanted us as much as you. Then through the nineties when it was accepted at PMC that there was a shortage of AEOps, we were promised that they were looking at the situation, and that the most likely outcome was an increase in FP. Guess what, oh yeah, nothing happened!! . .. .Then finally we hear there is an AIRCREW Retention Review, perhaps something will happen, who knows, the situation is bad enough!! Ah but wait, no, the situation is known to be bad but only bad enough to have our own review. What will come out of it! Who knows maybe we'll get lucky this time!!. .. .I know how lucky I am to be doing this job! I know how well paid I am doing a job I actually like! But what really gets my goat! Is T%%ts like you telling us how lucky we are, whilst you reach into your back pocket wave your wad in the air and say tough to the rest of your crew. They are the guys who might save your life one day, even if it's only to stop you shredding the wrong bit of paper! But will you thank them, will you hell!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />