I think the thread is being hijacked by the cebpac guys
Kapmuks, I don't know where you got that story of yours but if you're referring to Capt. B, then you only got one side of the story. Most probably from someone who doesn't like him very much even during their PAL days. If he kicked ass, its because thoses asses were meant to be kicked anyway. If you're referring to Capt. L, very much the same thing as stated beforehand. PALs loss is cebpacs gain. These guys have given more than enough to improve the CRM culture in cebpac. But truth to tell, I've never heard of anything like you said from my friends there. Must be Air Phil you are talking about.