Good point back2front, question is, just how much do we think we should get??? Personally I feel we should get a decent rise to our basic, 10% to 15%. Also we should be getting better delay pay, long range payments for doing trips such as Narita and Jo'burg. The allowances we get for some trips are absolutely pathetic. If we got more money per trip then i'm sure the sickness level will decrease, thus 'increasing productivity levels'. Lets hope its a no!!!