- Introduction
- You will be sent this contract and be expected to have it signed and sent back before you even start the course with CAE or SAS.
- Fixed term training contract means that for 6 months you are classed as 'training'.
- The terms and conditions that are in this contract - No mention of the terms and conditions that are kept in an office that you agree to having never seen them, which states that they can allocate 12 of your annual leave days within your scheduled days off.....meaning instead of 28 days holiday, you infact only get 16!
- Poisition
- 6 months from the day you are signed off on your circuits, you start on this contract.
- Term
- Should a permanent position come available - This means that they can decide whether they are going to have a position open, you will be considered if your performance and suitablility has been satisfactory - meaning that however they feel, regardless of if you have finished everything in minimum sectors and been amazing, they can decide that you did not perform well enough.
- Licence
- It states that you must gain an IAA licence within 6 months of joining ryanair, but infact this contract is not an employment contract, it is a training contract, so when they tell you at east mids you have to get an IAA licence, this is not the case. You are supposed to get one within 6 months of being offered a full time contract.
- If you refuse to take an IAA licence within the first 6 months of employment, (bare in mind that even if this clause did apply to the training contract, this contract is only valid for 6 months), they can terminate your employment.
- (According to Various lawers and solicitors i have spoken to, if they terminate your contract, you are not liable to pay a penny back to Ryanair (rules of a fixed term contract) - and this is even if the clause that is stated is leagal, as on the job training, which Line training is, is at the cost of the employer NOT the employee, and you should not be liable to repay this regardless. A type rating however is different, and as you have paid for this yourself, Ryanair can not as far as i am aware, make you pay this line training base training costs back).
- Line training
- as stated above, it is at the cost of £90 per sector, (Brookfield is Euro 150 per sector)
- Should you fail to accept and permanent position with Ryanair - For clarity and this is a very big one This means RYANAIR, NOT BROOKFIELDS! - They CAN NOT MAKE you taske a brookfields contract. They are and agency. This contract states it MUST be a Ryanair position. So many people have been caught out by this. Dont let the companies bully-boy tactics force you into something you dont want just because they have told you that "you are on a list of pilots going to dublin on a Brookfields contract". You are under no obligation to go.
- Term
- It now says that the base check is completed with the aproved training provider, meaning that the cost of base check is included in your Type rating costs, so whey are you liable to pay ryanair for this. (I have not worked this one out yet, and neither has anyone i have spoken to, but when I know more about this clause i will get back to you)
- This contract will terminate 6 months from base check. That means at 6 months 1 day you are no longer under this contract, and if at that point they offer you a contract, you are not required to take it, nor pay the costs.
- They can extend it or offer you a permanent contract - This means that they can keep you on £850 per month indefinately - however, the rules regarding fixed term contracts state that this must be signed and agrees by both parties should it be extended. If you dont want to be on it longer then 6 months, you dont have to. And if they dont offer you a full contract at that point, you are off the hook.
- This contract does not in any way guarantee you of a job - says exactly what it means.
- Fail to fulfill terms of contract - As they spell out for you that you must be able to train for the full six months, thats what it means. HOWEVER, once your line training is complete, you are no longer training, therefore you can tell them that you are not going to fly - this is now a massive grey area, as you are no longer in the 'training' part of the contract, but you are still in the fixed term part, BUT because they specifically spell out that you must be available for training, and flying the line with a captain is most certainly not 'training', there is slight anbaguity. (if that is how it is spelt)
- Training hours and Base
- It clearly states that your line training will take place anywhere, and you are liable to go anywhere during your line training. Once again, once line training is complete and you are signed off, you CAN stand up for yourself and not go anywhere because it clearly states LINE TRAINING!
- Training pay
- You will be given £850 per month, or E1250 per month, depending on if you are in the Euro zone or the UK. Most of the training is done in Stansted.
- At this point i want to tell you what is infact happening. When you turn up at interview, they will tell you that there are positions for FO across the network, and will take your choices for training and line bases. You will almost certainly NOT get either of these.
- You will go where you are told on the training contract, (and unfortunately you have to go), but once you have finished, they WILL NOT offer you a full time contract. They will however tell you that you are going to dublin on an agency contract, and stay there for a few months, and then come back to your final chosen base. How they like to put it "you do this for us, we'll do that for you". The trueth is that they are sending people to dublin, leaving them there, and not taking them back onto Ryanair contracts, and refusing to let them change base on a brookfield contract.
- As a Brookfield pilot you are paid into a Euro bank regardless of if you are british and based in the UK, you are paid a set hourly wage, (meaning the 0:45 and 0:30 before and after blocks on/off duty time, you are not paid), and you are classed as self employed, meaning you have to sort all your own accounts and expenses, and all your own tax out. For some this is good, but just be aware.
- If you choose to not take the Brookfields contract, which you are entitled to do, they will try and bully you into taking it. Dont be affraid to stand up for yourself.
- And now the actual pay. This is what most cadet pilots are doing and earning -
- 30 day duty time = 130 - 145 hours
- 30 day pay = £850(taxable) = £750 Take home
- 30 Flying hours Average = 90 - 110
- Actual hourly pay = £5.80 - £6.50
- Actual hourly Take home = £ 5.20 - £5.70
- Just to let you know, the average price of a room in a shared house around stansted is £20 - £25 per night or £300 - £400 for the month.
- Parking is £16 per month for your car, and an ID pass will cost you another £50 odd. This is what Procius and Disclosure are for BAA airports, (which you have to pay for, and if they go out of date, you have to pay again for). Dont forget though that if you dont need to park your car, you dont need a stansted pass, and you can infact use your east mids pass at ANY ryanair airport as long as you have you licence and passport, almost meaning that Procius is an extra cost that is not required.
- No other payments will be made durring this time - £750 take home is it guys, for 100 flying and 130 hours duty per month.
- Termination of contract
- If the contract is terminated by Ryanair before the full 6 months is up, this is supposed to be agreed and signed by both parties. This is a rule of a fixed term contract. Should THEY terminate the contract early, once again, you should not be liable for the training repayment costs, (If indeed this clause is leagal).
- "Finally, congratulations on being offered a place on a Ryanair Boeing 737 -800 Training Course" - Reiterating the fact that you are training, not employed.
Guys and girls, I hope that you can take something away from this. Read this and print it off. Hopefully it wont get merged into the big Hate fest that is the main Ryanair thread because this is specifically a thread for cadets on contracts. Please only post questions, and opinions and factual information regarding this contract, and the Brookfields contract, (to come), in this thread.
Thanks for looking, and make an infomed decision as to if you really want Ryanair to continue bullying and taking what they want from cadets and not giving anything back. If you do choose to join Ryanair, make sure you have done the maths, looked at the EXACT wording of the contract, and join with your eyes open. Realise that for 6 months, you will be their play thing, and you will be bullied because they think you have no idea.
The main one, if you do join Ryanair, Join REPA straight away. It is anonymous, and a union and unity is the only way that things will change. Stand up for your rights!