TWOL8, agree, I am just speculating further, but it is not likely that these two remarks were actually part of a much lengthier conversation with Caz seking to establish a point and being led on by the journo. At each turn in the conversation the journo draws her out?
As has been said many times here, she was perhaps unwise and inexperienced but the unedited transcript would make fascinating reading.
The more I think how it may have gone the more I think was left out than left in.