Yes to both last posts. The good thing is that on our side there's no rush, whereas the other side has to come up with something substantial qite rapidly. There is one outfit out there concockting a very good package for 2008, as i was told. It seems to target EK,EY and QR unhappies especially. Nothing specific to be able to pass on right now, but i'll follow up the moment i get it. I'm very sceptic, but hopeful!