As you wish, A & C, as you wish. We are all entitled to our opinion and mine is outlined above. I am not disputing their aeronautical skill which is at a level I could never hope to acheive it is just that, having met lots of them over the years, they lose no time in telling you all about it. When they leave the team they have any humility they previously had restored to them it's just that while they're wearing those slightly too tight red suits they are, in my opinion, mainly t@ssers.