Jbay, Fling, guys chill- you are never going to convince the naysayers about SAA. These guys have a vested interest in seeing SAA go belly up- what they don’t realize is -that in the highly unlightly event of that ever happening- they will see none of the benefit. All that will happen is that the average crew member in this country will get more screwed as the owners (Unlce Vern, the terrible twosome, the Green tea in Bonaero Park) of the “successful” private airlines will by buy even older hunks of junk, fly them more and pay the crew less.