The only reason I assumed BOTL is that it is all thats really been offered in the past. I agree that most Jazz pilots don't see that as a viable alternative, especially now that there are 300 or so more guys on the ACPA list. (not positive on the number) I also agree that alot of guys are willing to take their chances and try to get the EMB in the next round of talks. The problem that I see with that idea is that it plays right into RM hands again. I don't pretend to have any answers and I know there are HUGE obstacles between the two groups, but I really feel that if we stopped expending so much energy fighting each other and put it into trying to figure out how to get together in some way, we would all benefit from it in the long run.