yes there are some civvies & mil who waffle - but why do mil ATC refuse to come in line with ICAO phraseology? given that lack of clarity/understanding is a major cause of accidents, does it help to have words such as 'overshoot', 'go-around' etc mean significantly different things depending on whether you are at a civ or mil a/f? a brit mil pilot visiting a civilian a/f runs the risk of looking like a complete prat if he sticks with the words he usually uses back at homeplate! - and they won't even let you in the grown-ups airspace if you don't sound like you know what's going on!! sorry if this is the wrong thread for this rant - anyone else out there agree?