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Originally Posted by theresalwaysone
Not so, a PA28 is a MINIMUM 1 pilot aircraft,two pilots regualrly fly these aircaft, one is called an insructor and one is called a student and both log the hours.
No Sh1t Sherlock.
I suggest you read the POH and see what is the required flight crew for the aircraft - this denotes whether it is multi crew or not, which in turn denotes whether it is possible to log P2 time
theresalwaysone - what an apt name 
Thank you and yes i thought it rather apt, I looked through all the posts and in fact i decided on the name after reading one of your post but thats mainly because i couldnt fit in the name' isnt a little knowledge dangerous?'
First of all the offical document for the PA28 is the manufacturers flight manual not the POH in this case as you state. (POHs as definitive documents were phased out with the Spitfire but are a name adopted by people including some manuafactures who produce
versions of flight manuals). Flight manuals are approved manufactures documents and you will not find any **** in there Sherlock. The original Piper Flight Manual was deposited with the CAA, or I think Air Ministry in those days, in order for the PA28 to be accepted onto the British register, this is still the position with all new types. The CAA in consultaion with the manufacturer and the flight manual ascertain the MINMUM crew and that is published on the C of A document as well as in the official flight manual. The word ONLY is never used. From a balloon to an Airbus the word
minimum is used. Also note the phrase POH is not used in the ANO, only FLIGHT MANUAL.
The word REQUIRED is used in the ANO for the purposes of establishing the MINIMUM crew on public transport operations.
Required crew cannot be ascertained by the manufacturer because he has no idea in what category the aircraft will be operated or in what country the aircraft will be registered in. Obviously, hopefully even to our friend Sherlock the UK is not the only country in the world to fly PA28s and some countries have very different requirements than the UK CAA
There is nothing to stop anyone flying a PA28 as a two crew aircraft and logging the hours, These hours of course can not be counted towards the grant or renewal of a licence or rating but if you were officially operating as two crew you should certainly log it because it is a record of your experience and that is one of the purposes of your log book.
My first job was a co -pilot on an aircraft owned by a large industrial company not required by the order (ANO) to operate with two crew. However the big multi-nationals insurance company would not allow their directors to fly in any aircraft which had only one pilot. Interestingly the CAA allowed P2 hours to be counted on this a/c as a dispensation, although I am not sure if this would be allowed today under JARS.
When one of the directors, in fact the chairman SIR xxxxxx, wanted to learn to fly it caused all sorts of problems. even whe he had qualified he had to fly with me and yes I was P2 in a PA28 when he wanted to fly anywhere while he was working for the company and the CAA were aware!
I like posting on here but please reply in the same way as if i was talking to you face to face because to do otherwise is just plain rude, nasty and cowardly. I appreciate it makes you look big but to anyone who is interested in just aviation as opposed to personality disorders it just detracts from the point and makes you look silly.
safe sensible flying to all