Final, You are correct, as different planes are flown differently. and I should have said at the numbers, and those numbers I gave were for the 172,152 I fly, the 182 is 80 down wind, and 70 with 1st notch of flaps at the numbers. the last time I flew an Archers, 80 down wind, 70 at the numbers and the last time I looked at the ASI (During VFR flight) on final it was right above 65. I am sorry is I offended anyone with my slight courseness, I usually don't say anything.