foxmoth, how you can say that the PA-38 is a good spin training machine when one of the most heated controversies in light aviation is exactly about the poor spin recovery characteristics and the many accidents it has caused.
I'm unable to bring data or debate on the subject beyond what anyone can google about (that is a lot), just curious to know why did you mentioned this very type that for most people should be in the list for 'advanced brave pilots' only.