30W, you say that this thread has been "full of dreamers", and superficially this would appear to be the case. But in reality it's only the WhoFlu? people themselves who will have been posting this trash, and their predeliction for posting to Prune probably explains why they're apparently in such a dire state. That's my view, anyway, and if you doubt it just read some of the posts from the people who claim to be unconnected to the project but "just believe in FlyWho". They're kidding only themselves as far as I'm concerned.