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Flywho have announced the start of their operations from Birmingham.
http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tamp...ml?jst=b_ln_hl
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http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/Bu...ne_to_fl.shtml
http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tamp...ml?jst=b_ln_hl
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http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/Bu...ne_to_fl.shtml
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Lets hope the Tristar is reliable. Nothing worse for a new airline than having hundreds of stranded passengers due to tech aircraft. Good luck to the airline lets hope more services to the US from Birmingham follow!
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I do belive that there will only be 6 rotations per week so plenty of time to catch up if delays do occur. Strange choice of aircraft. Does anyone still use thm regularly for passenger ops?
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Originally Posted by Daza
I do belive that there will only be 6 rotations per week so plenty of time to catch up if delays do occur. Strange choice of aircraft. Does anyone still use thm regularly for passenger ops?
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Couple of Portguese ops who still fly them, and lease them out to major holiday airlines when they lose an aircraft.
Still show their faces at MAN during the summer, usually for Mytravel or similar.
Still show their faces at MAN during the summer, usually for Mytravel or similar.
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Is Flywho an actual airline or are they just selling tickets at the moment? If it's the latter, I presume that either a UK or US airline will have to operate the flights (can't think of any of those with L1011's) as I believe non UK/US airlines can't operate on a UK-US route due to some agreement between the two countries. (I may be totally wrong of course!!)
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I would really send out a warning to anyone thinking about making a booking with this bunch, I mean who the frigg is gonna fly from Clearwater to Brum!!! I wouldn't buy a ticket with the clowns!
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Do you have any inside knowledge or the people behind this operation, the business plan, the backers or which particular aircraft they operate. I havn't. If you havn't you is rather a sweeping statement. Can you back it up.
Nobody is buying a ticket from Clearwater as it is bascially a UK originating charter.
This chap has been trying to set this up for several years and has pervevered. I wish him good luck.
Garry
Do you have any inside knowledge or the people behind this operation, the business plan, the backers or which particular aircraft they operate. I havn't. If you havn't you is rather a sweeping statement. Can you back it up.
Nobody is buying a ticket from Clearwater as it is bascially a UK originating charter.
This chap has been trying to set this up for several years and has pervevered. I wish him good luck.
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I agree! If you don't know what the plan is then at least let them have a go. It takes a lot of $$ and a lot of guts and time to start an operation and I don't think many (sensible) people do it without research.
The 1011 may not be the best choice if you have unlimited funds but compared with some other available options may still not be that bad.
Everyone has to start somewhere - look at some of the big names now, only a few years ago they were nothing flying ancient 732's - they took the risks, some failed, some went big.
Give the guys a chance you never know!
Tex
I agree! If you don't know what the plan is then at least let them have a go. It takes a lot of $$ and a lot of guts and time to start an operation and I don't think many (sensible) people do it without research.
The 1011 may not be the best choice if you have unlimited funds but compared with some other available options may still not be that bad.
Everyone has to start somewhere - look at some of the big names now, only a few years ago they were nothing flying ancient 732's - they took the risks, some failed, some went big.
Give the guys a chance you never know!
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Just a little research on Birmingham Florida flights reveal 2 per week for the summer amd none for the winter excluding the carrier under debate.
This does not compare well with other UK airports, some with considerably less passenger throughput than Birmingham, so either Brummies hate Florida or they are flying from somewhere else..
What are the alternatives. NEMA has only one flight therefore the passengers are going, at a guess, to Manchester or Gatwick.
Flywho are certainly not entering a crowded market from Birmingham.
If it is marketed correctly it could do well.
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This does not compare well with other UK airports, some with considerably less passenger throughput than Birmingham, so either Brummies hate Florida or they are flying from somewhere else..
What are the alternatives. NEMA has only one flight therefore the passengers are going, at a guess, to Manchester or Gatwick.
Flywho are certainly not entering a crowded market from Birmingham.
If it is marketed correctly it could do well.
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Originally Posted by aeulad
I would really send out a warning to anyone thinking about making a booking with this bunch, I mean who the frigg is gonna fly from Clearwater to Brum!!! I wouldn't buy a ticket with the clowns!
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Mike
Regards
Mike
I echo Garry's comments below.
Mike
Do you have any inside knowledge or the people behind this operation, the business plan, the backers or which particular aircraft they operate. I havn't. If you havn't you is rather a sweeping statement. Can you back it up.
Nobody is buying a ticket from Clearwater as it is bascially a UK originating charter.
This chap has been trying to set this up for several years and has pervevered. I wish him good luck.
Garry
Do you have any inside knowledge or the people behind this operation, the business plan, the backers or which particular aircraft they operate. I havn't. If you havn't you is rather a sweeping statement. Can you back it up.
Nobody is buying a ticket from Clearwater as it is bascially a UK originating charter.
This chap has been trying to set this up for several years and has pervevered. I wish him good luck.
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Originally Posted by aeulad
I would really send out a warning to anyone thinking about making a booking with this bunch, I mean who the frigg is gonna fly from Clearwater to Brum!!! I wouldn't buy a ticket with the clowns!
Regards
Mike
Regards
Mike
The only aspect at risk is any accom booked and your wasted time.
As Garry as stated, massive whole in the market in respect of Brum to
Florida and hopefully they can fill the gap.
My concerns are the aircraft and the price. As a born & bred Brummie
we do tend to love a bargain and although there are affluent areas
around here with individuals owning property in Florida, whether there
are enough to support the service is the big question.
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Step back and examine the history.
This lot have been around and about for at least three yrs now & have not got passed the paper exercise stage.
Does anyone ever remember the old Caledonian Tristar service to Mahon on Fridays. It nearly always left late after tech problems; re-negotiations with the Mahon AFS to wait up for them;diversions to PMI; and even departures on Saturday. And they want to risk operating one now
Why are there so few long haul flights from BHX......think about the economics. One operator took there service elsewhere so that belly freight could be uplifted from a runway where the aircraft could get airborne and maximise the full payload potential.
History keeps repeating itself; as one starts up at BHX another pulls out.
This lot have been around and about for at least three yrs now & have not got passed the paper exercise stage.
Does anyone ever remember the old Caledonian Tristar service to Mahon on Fridays. It nearly always left late after tech problems; re-negotiations with the Mahon AFS to wait up for them;diversions to PMI; and even departures on Saturday. And they want to risk operating one now
Why are there so few long haul flights from BHX......think about the economics. One operator took there service elsewhere so that belly freight could be uplifted from a runway where the aircraft could get airborne and maximise the full payload potential.
History keeps repeating itself; as one starts up at BHX another pulls out.
Is my memory failing me? The only trans-atlantic operators who pulled their longhaul services from BHX as I can recall are BOAC (BHX-JFK); Highland Express (went belly up); Air Canada (service was really little more than a spoiler to sink Wardair - successfully as it happened), BA (returned to it's roots an British (London) Airways so far as longhaul is concerned, and American (as a direct result of 11 September and poor front-end yield).
In any event Flywho is not an airline - since it has no AOC. It is not operating scheduled services in the true sense of the word as you can't book from US to UK, and I believe, you can't book one-ways.
I very much hope Flywho does work - and despite the previous false dawns, it seems conceivable that it will, but one thing is for certain. Unsubstantiated criticism and bad-mouthing on boards such as this won't help them.
In any event Flywho is not an airline - since it has no AOC. It is not operating scheduled services in the true sense of the word as you can't book from US to UK, and I believe, you can't book one-ways.
I very much hope Flywho does work - and despite the previous false dawns, it seems conceivable that it will, but one thing is for certain. Unsubstantiated criticism and bad-mouthing on boards such as this won't help them.
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How many European start up airlines carrying passengers plan to use aircraft that are around 30 years old?
Reliability and punctuality are the reasons for not flying old airframes. Ignore the maintenance costs, huge damage can be done to small airlines that suffer from very poor on-time performance. Reputations are won and lost on this single issue.
Good luck to Flywho.
How many folk on here drive a 30 year old car, my guess, not very many!
Reliability and punctuality are the reasons for not flying old airframes. Ignore the maintenance costs, huge damage can be done to small airlines that suffer from very poor on-time performance. Reputations are won and lost on this single issue.
Good luck to Flywho.
How many folk on here drive a 30 year old car, my guess, not very many!
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BHX Longhaul
GK430 you seem to be a little confused about longhaul operations at BHX only 3 other UK Airports have more long haul flights than BHX.
-BHX-EWR 10 per week in summer with CO 757
-DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ AI planned to be 6x per week with a 777
-Jet Airways awaiting authoristaion to start services TO ATQ and DEL
-PIA fly ISB-BHX 5x per week and a rumoured to be using 777 and 310 aircraft this summer
-BHX-DXB 14 FLIGHTS PER WEEK WITH 777/330
-QATAR in final talks with BHX plan to start 4X week with 330
OTHER LONG HAULS INCLUDE T
THOMSONFLY CUN,POP.SFB 763
AIR TRANSAT YYZ 310
TURKMENISTAN 757,763
UZBEKISTAN 757,763
MAHAN AIR 310,320
More long Haul services than ever before!
Daza
-BHX-EWR 10 per week in summer with CO 757
-DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ AI planned to be 6x per week with a 777
-Jet Airways awaiting authoristaion to start services TO ATQ and DEL
-PIA fly ISB-BHX 5x per week and a rumoured to be using 777 and 310 aircraft this summer
-BHX-DXB 14 FLIGHTS PER WEEK WITH 777/330
-QATAR in final talks with BHX plan to start 4X week with 330
OTHER LONG HAULS INCLUDE T
THOMSONFLY CUN,POP.SFB 763
AIR TRANSAT YYZ 310
TURKMENISTAN 757,763
UZBEKISTAN 757,763
MAHAN AIR 310,320
More long Haul services than ever before!
Daza
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I think the reference to airlines pulling out is First Choice moving the Sanford flight to Nottingham East Midlands for summer 2005.
I am not sure what config the 767 was in but these are the CAA Stats for
NEMA to Sanford in 2005: -
June 2253
July 2215
August 2036 (I'm off to double check that figure)
September 2311
The 2006 brochure states the flights run on a Tuesday and if this was the
case in 2005 then it would 8 sectors per month except for August with 10
This would leave a dreadful load factor for August but was this affected
by weather in the US?
I know First Choice have advertised on TV in respect of "more legroom"
and these figures are not bad if it was 290 odd seater especially as
one would expect high fares in July/August.
OltonPete
I am not sure what config the 767 was in but these are the CAA Stats for
NEMA to Sanford in 2005: -
June 2253
July 2215
August 2036 (I'm off to double check that figure)
September 2311
The 2006 brochure states the flights run on a Tuesday and if this was the
case in 2005 then it would 8 sectors per month except for August with 10
This would leave a dreadful load factor for August but was this affected
by weather in the US?
I know First Choice have advertised on TV in respect of "more legroom"
and these figures are not bad if it was 290 odd seater especially as
one would expect high fares in July/August.
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A family friend is in charge of First Choice operations on the ground at BHX. She has often said that the only reason for the switch of long haul flights by FCA to NEMA was based purely on price. NEMA offered FCA cheaper fees and handling. Nothing to do with runway length/cargo etc. There is real demand for flights to the US ex BHX paticularly leisure flights. Pity this fumbling airline have picked an ageing aircraft.
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