[QUOTE=Waka Rider]Basically the simple facts are that Steve and his passengers would be alive if Taupo had radar and ATC. What pisses me off is all the claims and counter claims over cost benefits effectiveness etc. Saving lives and prevention of incidences and accidents are the reasons that we have the CAA. However its safety with a cost effective base very simliar to insurance companies. MOR with you 100% over the SA issues. CDG took me the best part of 2 years to even come close to being useful. Your average cadet pilot trained in the environment did much better than I. These cadet pilots do have very good training courses with big prices but they do very well online